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ABUNDANT LIFE

DIRTY_C: There is something I can’t understand that well.

CLEAN_C: You should consider it normal that you do not understand many things or, at least, that if you argue against them, understanding them becomes difficult. Unless we have abounding life in us, we won’t understand many of the important things we should understand, especially in the way we should find and experience them. It is eternal life inside us which makes us understand many things. Unless we have life in abundance, we shall easily understand many things in a wrong way and misinterpret them quite easily.

DIRTY_C: Is there a wrong way to understand the right things? Is it possible?

CLEAN_C: Of course! There are many ways to misinterpret or misunderstand those things we need to understand through the same light which that abounds in heaven. The fact that you read the Bible and understand it does not mean you understand it the way you should. Not necessarily. Let me put it this way. When a pilot takes a plain, he can choose from many directions and routes, but only one of them is right to take. Taking that plain does not make him automatically take the right direction, does it? There is only one way to understand truth and all the things of God: by God and obeying it all the time. The main reason why many people miss the point is that they do not have this in mind and do not take it seriously to be led and reigned by God. Only such people who are led by the Spirit are the children of God, Rom.8:14. In fact, only those who are led by God have a chance to be made children of God. God has the power to make all His children, if they only are led by Him. Many, also, give up the right way because they will rather give up than fix their lives properly, in such way that they will gain a relationship with the Lord. That’s why their plain often crashes against the mountains of sin.

DIRTY_C: Why would people give up on abundant life? Oh, if I just could have it! I would never give up on it!

CLEAN_C: Mainly because they forget there is only way to do things: through the Lord. If we give up on the way things should be done and try to carry them out through strange fire, then what David said will happen: “Let their backs be always bowed”. It is a heavier thing to try to do the right things the wrong way than do the wrong things. I believe it is harder to bear a Christian life in sin than to be in the world altogether. We cannot do things because we find ourselves impatient about them; nor believe God can’t do them or that He can’t carry them out through us. For every right thing or right way to carry those things out, there are, in this present life, thousands of alternative ways through which we can easily be deviated. We should never ignore that. I agree it sounds very strange that people so easily give up on true, abounding life. But, most are put on that course unwillingly.

DIRTY_C: What do you mean?

CLEAN_C: I mean that people do not give up the abundant life directly, but are rather forced to go without it because they want to carry it out through a power or a righteousness of their own. Maybe, they wish that life to establish their own righteousness and not God's. They won’t subject themselves to the righteousness and the ways of God. Consequently, they will try to do the right things the wrong way and it won’t work out for them. However, people become obviously desperate after a point and give on life instead of giving up on what hinders that life. It means they should not have wished to have that abundant life along with their sin. God needs to grant that Life to destroy sin, but, many will try to use it to be sinful. Sin won’t ever eat from the tree of life because it is closed up to sin. If they wish to take sin on, they will surely be forced to step out of the way. It is not up to them to decide to remain on the way because it is the tree that holds the branch. They wish to hold the tree. The branch cannot decide for the tree or on its behalf. Any kind of way that seems right and seems right, is a greater curse than a way which is clearly and obviously wrong. A theologian has greater difficulties believing he is ungodly than a prostitute or a murderer.

DIRTY_C: Maybe you have a point there. Any plain has a range of 360º to choose a route. And you mean we should not give up on God because there are many wrong ways. We should rather look for the right and only one. It makes sense.

CLEAN_C: There are thousands of ways and opportunities to set your foot or mind on the wrong track. And, to give up walking because there are many wrong ways, would be the same as hiding the talent God entrusted you with. He trusted you enough to hand his life to you. The talent in your hand is a sign both of trust and responsibility bestowed on you. He demands that you remain faithful to it. It would be the same thing as saying one should not speak by God only because most prophecies (or what people call prophecies) are false and forged by selfishness, and inspired by personal sin. When the devil can’t get us in a wrong track, he will try to make us take no track at all. That is his alternative plan. And, we know most people who heard false prophecies and saw them as false shall surely breed a mistrust against genuine ones and, also, against genuine prophets of the Lord, if they ever find them along the way.

DIRTY_C: And how can we know we are taking the right way at all?

CLEAN_C: The right way, the only way, is that we take hold of abundant life and to stick by it. Whatever happens, we must stay in Him. "You have been with Me from the beginning", John 15:27. If abundant life takes full hold of us, we won’t miss the way. But, if it doesn't, we won't find the way. It is just not possible. And in case temptation causes any person to err temporarily, that Life shall easily be able to put him on track again, if that is what that persons is looking for, and if cleaning the life is what the erring one seeks with a sincere heart before the Lord.

DIRTY_C: It seems you are contradicting yourself now. According to you, the right way is kept by staying clean. And now you are saying one may step aside and still be clean and spotless. Isn't the right way to clean up and to remain clean?

CLEAN_C: That is the priority for your personal life. For any person who has already cleansed his life, walking in the light and being honest with yourself before God assures and guarantees that life in us. Whoever walks in the Light keeps both His feet, as well as His heart, in the right track. “And a highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called, The Way of Holiness. The unclean shall not pass over it. But He shall be with them; the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err in it”, Is.35:8.

DIRTY_C: I am confused now. The right way for me is cleaning up or is it abundant life?

CLEAN_C: Abundant life is the right way for you. But, to get there, you must clean up before or, perhaps, while it is being granted to you. There is no other way to live out our lives, but through abounding life.

DIRTY_C: And why do you keep insisting with me that I should clean up if I can clean up during the receiving of that life?

CLEAN_C: Because very few people are granted that life before they clean up. Suppose there is somebody who finds God in a real way and didn’t know or never heard one needs to be cleansed first. That person, by having an obedient spirit and heart, will obviously clean up as soon as he finds truth. He will surely obey and do something about that conviction. However, I don’t believe God will ever grant or entrust His own life to anyone who has not in him an obeying heart disposition. “The way is called HOLINESS; the unclean shall not pass over it”, Is.35:8. It doesn't matter what they believe, they won't pass it. They won't make it to heaven. The unclean shall not walk on it and the unrighteous man shall not be able to stand among the holy ones, not even by believing he shall be able to do so. "Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous", Ps.1:5.

DIRTY_C: What do you consider as an unclean person? I have always heard, if we believe in Jesus, we are automatically clean.

CLEAN_C: An unclean person is any who hides his own sins or refuses to make restitution of goods, honour or anything else he might have taken from others. An unclean person is anyone who hides his own heart from others. He is the opposite of a clean person. I am sure you understand the language I am using. You have been hiding your heart and sins most of the time. And what did you get for it? Did you find abundant life? Has it availed you in any way?

DIRTY_C: You make me feel scared talking the way you talk.

CLEAN_C: To be unclean, one does not need much. It is very easy to be unclean and dirty. The main problem with unclean people is that they seldom consider themselves as such. However, we should come to the point where the opposite happens, I mean, the point where it is not easy to sin. John talks about reaching a point where sin is simply impossible.

DIRTY_C: I see. Why can’t an unclean person enter into the way of God? How can the unclean become clean unless he enters that way?

CLEAN_C: The way of God is a holy way. We read that, “There shall be a way and it shall be called the Holy Way”. If it is a holy way, how can the clean walk it? Can dirt be clean? Can dry be wet? Can day be night? Can black be white?  

DIRTY_C: No, it can’t.

CLEAN_C: If dryness is not wet, the way of the Lord can’t be the way for any unclean person. God’s way is a holy way and can’t ever be anything else. How can anyone ever think he shall enter holiness and remain unclean? Why is the Spirit of God, who is also Abundant Life itself, called the HOLY Spirit and is not called by any other name at all? Abundant life is a life of purity as well. It must be because that Life is the Holy Spirit. Therefore, if you are asking God for an abundant life, you must have in mind you are pleading to be holy and to be able to live in all holiness forever more. 

DIRTY_C: This is the answer to the question I was not able to ask. I was in doubt when you talked about abundant life. You have answered something I wanted to ask you about. You have mentioned the words “Abundant Life” quite a few times and I was intrigued by it. Yesterday, I went to bed thinking about it. Explain to me what that life is. How can it be called Abundant Life and why is it not just called life? It also seems you kept telling me I shall never be able to experience it as a believer.

CLEAN_C: You shall be able to experience it as a clean believer if you look for Him with your whole heart. And, how or what that Life is, you need to find out by yourself. Understanding how it works often hinders the experiencing of it and the living of it in its proper fullness. I don’t understand how I breathe, but I breathe. I do not need to understand the composition of the air before I am able to breathe it, do I? All I need is pure air and healthy lungs along with whatever God gave me to be able to breathe. And, to experience eternal life inside my heart, all I need is to have a pure heart because the Bible says that the pure in heart shall see God, Mat.5:8. There is nothing difficult in that since it is available to anyone who is purified thoroughly. Let those who want to have it, come. So, abundant Life is God Himself present in us in such a way that our cups run over. He gives Himself unto us. At the Cross, He gave Himself for us, while now He gives Himself to us. He entrusts His own life to us. Would you entrust your life, the thing you consider most precious, to anyone on earth at all? Jesus does that and demands that we stay faithful to Him all the time. If He can entrust His life to you, He will give Himself to you.

DIRTY_C: So, you will not explain to me how it is like? I must find it by myself?

CLEAN_C: I can explain a little, but I am sure it won’t avail you much. It will be like explaining a married life to a child. The child won’t experience a married life by hearing how it is lived. In fact, it might hinder him to have a healthy married life in the future. I don’t know, it just doesn’t make sense to me that people prefer to hear about eternal life instead of wanting to experience it. There are certain things we can’t talk about, especially when those things are to be lived and fully experienced.

DIRTY_C: I understand.

CLEAN_C: What do you wish to know that I haven’t talked about?

DIRTY_C: How is that life?

CLEAN_C: That is a kind of life which does not depend on the place you live, or on what or how much you have. If you have a job or not that life is not influenced by it at all. However, everything else is directly dependent on that life in us. Whether you work or sleep, you should be doing it through and for the sake of that life, having it always in mind and at work in the inside and on the outside, through grace and providence. Whatever you do, you must do it for and through the Lord and for eternity’s sake.

DIRTY_C: But, people say life is marrying, making money and enjoying oneself. In your view, that is not the definition of life at all, right? When people have money or do the things they like, they usually say, “My life is going well”, or, “I have a life”.

CLEAN_C: That is not what life is all about. In fact, life is inside us and not on the outside. Jesus warned us about having this vain idea that life is what we have on the outside. “Watch... For a man's life is not in the abundance of the things which he possesses”, Luk.12:15. And, if we are honest enough, we will agree this life passes by very quickly and there is nothing we can get of it, indeed. Life does not consist of the things we have or own, and neither does death consist of come because of what we didn't do, or didn't have, or didn't own! Real life has nothing to do with what people say a life is!

DIRTY_C: What can you define as life then?

CLEAN_C: Life is inside us. You can be a living being in prison, just as well as inside a palace. It doesn’t really matter where you are or what you have or lack. Life is does not depend from those things. That life may, at the most, make use of everything you have. However, God demands that we forsake all especially because people have this vain idea that what they have is what life is all about. I can’t be. Consequently, God asks of all of us that we forsake and deny it because we are holding a lie.

DIRTY_C: How so?

CLEAN_C: Does your breathing depend on the place you find yourself? Is it as easy for you to breathe inside a prison as it is in the field filled with birds? When you are beaten or tortured, will breathing be affected at all? Breathing never depends on the place or situation you find yourself. Breathing is breathing, just as life is life.

DIRTY_C: It is true. I will be able to breathe anywhere, unless they torture my lungs or nose.

CLEAN_C: So, if breathing is not conditioned by the country you find yourself in, or by the problems you face, surely life can neither be affected by it!

DIRTY_C: I understand. And what scares me most is that everything you say to me makes a lot of sense. You scare me to death by your words and by the way you talk.

CLEAN_C: Suppose you were a kind of mad person who believed breathing was “not having problems”. Then, you would never breathe under trials or problems. You would refuse to breathe in prison. This is what people act towards life: they refuse to live when their problems are not solved. Can't you agree with the fact that this is stupidity?

DIRTY_C: I suppose if I believed that, I would have died at birth because I was born into problems. My problems started the day I was born!

CLEAN_C: I see. However, real Life does not depend on circumstances of any kind to manifest itself - at all. Unfortunately, people are weakened in their inner life because of problems. They offend that life by seeing it as the main conceiver and keeper of a sinful life. Since people easily sin under trials, and since Life is separate from them because their sin, they start believing trials affect Life in them. They can't see that it is sin that affects that Life in them, directly, and neither that the Life God grants affects sin to destroy it. We cannot walk as if Life will not be the enemy of sin in us. It is sin which affects Life and not trials. And it is Life that counteracts against sin and fleshly living, and not the devil as many suppose. Many even rebel against God under trials and hard circumstances. It would be like someone refusing to breathe because of having a mean mother-in-law. It just doesn’t make sense!

DIRTY_C: I understand.

CLEAN_C: Whether people are rich or poor, they must breathe and they cannot stop breathing. They can breathe or die, whoever they are and wherever they are. In other words, eternal life is not affected by what we experience on the outside. If our mood is affected by trials and problems, it may extinguish or sadden the Holy Spirit. However, if trials and problems do not affect our living, it will cause Him to rejoice in us. “He will rejoice over you with joy; He is silent in His love; He rejoices over you with joyful shout”, Zep.3:17. It is wonderful to have God rejoicing because of us. We have made Him so sad many times! However, the Holy Spirit is Life. Riches cannot improve eternal life and neither can poverty affect Life for the worst because Jesus is inside us and is not kept there by what we have. You can have problems in a place where there is plenty of air to breathe, just as you can have those problems anywhere else. That Life is God Himself and He does not depend on problems or even on the absence of them to be better or worse. It is an awful blasphemy to believe God depends on anything to be Himself. It is a very incorrect image of Him. To make an image or to conceive a false experience of what is in heaven is very wrong in itself already. How much more is it to make an image of what can't be found in heaven at all! However, people say “God is good” only when they feel blessed. God is always good, even if they burn in Hell. God never changes. God was good when he indirectly took all that Job possessed, and God did not change when Job received all back.

DIRTY_C: And how is that Abundant Life like?

CLEAN_C: Can you imagine how God is like? If you can imagine Him and if your imagination is correct, you might have a good perception of how He really is. But, it is not easy to imagine that life, especially because we can only imagine things we have been able to experience before.

DIRTY_C: Is it happiness, peace and joy?

CLEAN_C: It can work those things out very easily, yes. But, those things you just mentioned, along with many others, are just side effects and consequences of having that kind of life in us for real. There are many people who do not experience joy when the Holy Spirit is around. They hate God.

DIRTY_C: Please, do not frustrate me with you ducking answers. I really want to know how it is like.

CLEAN_C: There is no life like it. There is nothing like it. It is a kind of life which has no ups and downs. It is a constant life and it causes people to be constant and eternal for as long as they stick to it and prefer its ways. That is precisely what the Bible calls Eternal Life. Eternal Life is Abundant Life.

DIRTY_C: I keep thinking Eternal Life is what comes after we die.

CLEAN_C: No. Eternal Life happens with sin’s death and not with our physical death.

DIRTY_C: How so? You mean, Eternal Life is experienced here on earth?

CLEAN_C: It is also experienced here. I am certain that, whoever does not experience it here, won’t experience it after death either. We must find, experience and learn to live through it right now. The sooner we find Him in His fullness, the better.

DIRTY_C: So, I won’t go to heaven unless I find and experience it here? Is that what you mean?

CLEAN_C: That is what I mean, yes. That life is not heaven – that Life is in heaven also – it is Jesus Himself. And He can be in you right here as well as there. As you see, Life does not need to be in heaven to be Life. He is Life. He was on earth and was, even so, real Life. Here, on evil earth, Life is still Life. “On earth as it is in heaven”. And by having life in abundance right now, guarantees we shall have it after we die physically. That is the seal we must keep at any cost till we die. "That [Spirit] is the guarantee (seal) of our inheritance [the first fruits, the pledge and foretaste, the down payment on our heritage], in anticipation of its full redemption and our acquiring [complete] possession of it--to the praise of His glory", Eph.1:13,14(Amplified Version). Let us lose anything else, but not that seal. Even if heaven is the most beautiful place to live in, were Jesus not there, there would be no abundant life at all. Jesus is what makes the difference. He is the way, the truth and the Life. “As the eye without moisture, the eye without sight, water without humidity, so would heaven be without Jesus”.

DIRTY_C: This seems to me something very hard to understand.

CLEAN_C: I don’t think it is that hard to understand. Maybe you are just unwilling to understand it the way it must be understood. Maybe you would like it to be something else. Besides, you don’t need to understand it to have it. All you need is to find it!

DIRTY_C: And why does it feel impossible for me to have or experience real Life then?

CLEAN_C: Oh, please! Should I explain everything all over again to you? Are you so hardened that I need to repeat everything all over again? You need to clean your life once and for all and to hand yourself over to the Lord as a clean virgin. I am sure that after you do that, you shall stop asking these questions! Why do you keep delaying it? Why?

DIRTY_C: So, I will never have that life, right?

CLEAN_C: Will you clean up your life? Can you say you will? If you can, I am sure you will also stretch your heart to have that Life in you. Can you seek it and seek to be fully ruled by it? If you can and clean up, then you will have all the answers to the questions you put to me. Will you give up this present life for another?

DIRTY_C: I don’t know.

CLEAN_C: Well, then I don’t know if you can or can’t have that Life either. How do you expect me to answer to your question if you can’t answer mine affirmatively?

DIRTY_C: You could know, you know.

CLEAN_C: I wouldn’t know! It seems you ask questions which only you are able to answer!

DIRTY_C: Are you becoming impatient with me? Do you wish me to leave you alone?

CLEAN_C: No, I don't. I just can’t answer those questions which you should be asking yourself. Don't ask me because you are the only one who is able to answer those questions. The Bible says, “Come to Me and I will give you Life”; “Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, sinners; and purify your hearts, double-minded ones”. If you think you are a sinner, clean yourself quickly! Only then will you have the answers to all the strange questions you keep asking me.

DIRTY_C: Now you are being mean to me. All I asked was an explanation.

CLEAN_C: Have you never read what Philip told Nathanael? He told him: “Come and see”, John 1:46. I am also saying to you, “Come and see for yourself!”

DIRTY_C: Every minute that passes by, I feel more and more I won’t ever experience that Life in me.

CLEAN_C: What I believe is that you keep refusing to have it the way it needs to be accepted.

DIRTY_C: You discourage me greatly because I thought it would be easier.

CLEAN_C: You make me think of a mule that refuses to rise and move on. Mules are stubborn and do only whatever they want to do whenever they wish to do it. You stuck to that shallow hole you wish to be. It is so easy to come out of it. Sin is so shallow! Life is so deep! The only thing that hinders you is the unwillingness you seem to hold on to all the time. It seems you love to be stubborn, dead and unwilling.

DIRTY_C: No, I want the Lord Jesus.

CLEAN_C: I think you would love to have a Jesus of your own mind or have Him your own way.

DIRTY_C: How so?

CLEAN_C: You don’t wish to change, and seem to be looking for a loophole all the time by which you can find a Christ of your own, who is commanded around by what you think or believe. You seem to be a nest of stubbornness and unwillingness. You should give up that spirit.

DIRTY_C: What will happen to me if I refuse to listen to you and refuse, also, to do the things according to your views?

CLEAN_C: If you want to know a Christ which does not exist, you are surely refusing to know the real one. Is there a greater curse than that? You can do that, but you won't be able to avoid the curse it brings. You can only choose between life and death. There is no third option. There is nothing worse than to be bound to that sort of stubbornness. If you deny abundant life and its ways, you can’t think you will live at all. Life is not acted upon as actors do – it is lived out! It doesn’t matter how good actors are, they will never create life.

DIRTY_C: And does Jesus really grant us that sort of Life? Aren’t you just misleading me?

CLEAN_C: Christ Himself is the Abundant Life. If you find Him, you will find it. But, you must seek Him and not the one which is in your imagination.

DIRTY_C: How should I seek Him?

CLEAN_C: He said, “Then, you shall call on Me, and you shall go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you shall seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart”, Jer.29:12,13. The Lord did not say you would find this or that, but that you would find Him, if you seek Him. You cannot expect to find something else by looking for Him. If you do, you are a hypocrite in that search. If you seek Him, you must find Him and not something from Him.

DIRTY_C: But, how is He like?

CLEAN_C: “Come and see”.

DIRTY_C: You are a very annoying person.

CLEAN_C: When you find Him, you shall find Abundant Life, Eternal Life, Constant Life, life without ups and downs and without end as well, because that is what He is. Take it or leave it.

DIRTY_C: But, if you could just try to tell me how He is, maybe it would help. And you have confused me by saying I am seeking to find God to suit me and to satisfy my own interests.

CLEAN_C: I also said you shall not find Him unless you clean up your whole heart and life. However, if you find Him still holding on to a dirty conscience, I am sure you won’t be happy to see Him at all.

DIRTY_C: How so?

CLEAN_C: To see Him is to reach the point where you can’t be wavering anymore, or looking back. You won’t be able to postpone cleansing your soul anymore, or the Lord might curse you forever. It is very dangerous to have a heart which decides for sin in His sight, or that looks back to the source of sin, it is, the the old life. In case you find Him right now in His abundance, you will either die or live on the spot. You won’t be able to limp between two thoughts anymore. He shall always become a stumbling block to whoever is found in some sin. It just won’t work any other way. But, you have a chance to repent and cry out for mercy, if you are not too scared. Then, He shall purge you and refine your heart as gold and silver is refined through fire. “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who shall stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire, and like fuller's soap.  And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver. And He shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may be offerers of a food offering in righteousness to the Lord”, Mal 3:2,3. “The sinners in Zion are afraid; terror has surprised profane ones. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?” Is.33:14. We must be able to take the whole Bible into account, and not only what suits us. All those who are not found clean will either refuse to throw themselves into the light to be further exposed or they will hide and be cursed forever. Either way, it won’t be easy for anyone who is not found spotless and pure. Do you recall what I was saying about my grandfather who would not take a bath? When someone forced him to take that bath, he almost died! Maybe, you won’t survive if Jesus appears now.

DIRTY_C: Why do you think I will not be clean by the time Jesus comes and reveals Himself to me? You scare me to death! How can you talk to me like that?

CLEAN_C: I talk that way because I know that if you postpone now, tomorrow you will still be postponing. That is the kind of heart you have. If you do not want it now, if you are unable to react to the word now, you won't be willing to do it then. Unless you change now, tomorrow you will just be the same person or even a worse one. Maybe, you will still be postponing by the time He comes to you. If you say today, “Tomorrow I will do it”, I am sure when tomorrow comes, you will be still saying, “Tomorrow I will do it”. The heart and the attitude you have now will live on with you. However, if you decide to change today, surely, tomorrow you will be changed and working on your life.

DIRTY_C: And how does it feel to know Jesus that intimately? Can any of us live with Him in peace?

CLEAN_C: “Come and see” for yourself! The Bible talks about having peace in His presence. It is possible to experience peace far from Him, but, it will be this world's peace. What hinders you to know Him the way He is? Do you know Him? Remove what hinders you to know Him the way He really is. And, only in His presence can clean people (those who are in a disposition of heart to obey Him unconditionally) have peace. No one else shall be able to have peace in His presence ever. The unrighteous shall not stand in His presence. It is good to experience His presence and still have peace.

DIRTY_C: Is it really so important to know Him that intimately? Can’t we just believe in Him? I am scared to meet Him face to face after what you have said.  

CLEAN_C: To find Him and to know Him that intimately is the only way for us to be made living beings. We won’t live and won’t have part in His Abundant Life unless we are in peace in His presence, when it is real.

DIRTY_C: I don’t know Him that way.

CLEAN_C: Can’t you see God is giving you a unique chance to repent and to make peace with Him? Why, do you think, are you still around? Can't you see it is grace keeping you? Why do you keep postponing it? 

DIRTY_C: But, why would it be necessary to know Him that way?

CLEAN_C: Because He is eternal Life and to know Him that way is what eternal Life is all about. “And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent”. John 17:3. If He is abundant and great, how can you know Him otherwise? If you say you know Him and do not share in His abundance, surely, you are lying. You must know Him as He is and not as you suppose Him to be. He is not in your imagination. He is real and that is the way you must come to know Him. If you do not know Him as Abundant Life and as Holy, I am sure you know another christ and not the One who died on the Cross.

DIRTY_C: Now, I am really discouraged. If it is indeed needed to know Him that way to be saved, I am sure I will get lost and be thrown out forever. Maybe I should just give up right now and just go away somewhere.

CLEAN_C: Please, do not misunderstand me. You must not get saved to see God, but rather see God to get fully saved.  

DIRTY_C: I can’t see what the difference is. Maybe there is no way out for me anymore.

CLEAN_C: It is up to you. As soon as you put all these things we have been talking about into practice, you shall also be able to see what the difference is. You shall know and experience as soon as you start doing. You shall see the way out from all your sins as well. But, if you carry on refusing to be made spotless through the Blood of the Lord, I know you won’t find your way out at all. Just start doing and cleaning and everything shall become clearer to you.

DIRTY_C: I don’t know if there is a way out for me.

CLEAN_C: You are so stubborn and unbelieving! How is it possible that such hardness exists in you after everything we have talked about? “Be not like the horse, or like the mule, who have no understanding, whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, so that they do not come near you”, Sal.32:9.

DIRTY_C: Now, you are offending me! I think I will not come to you ever again. You do not seem willing to understand me at all. I think I will go now. We might never see each other again. I am done with listening to you.

CLEAN_C: Wait. I understand you very well. Maybe, I understand you just too well. This is why I took the liberty to speak to you this way. If you go away it might be as good as suicide. It is much easier to repent and make your life right with God right now. People who commit suicide can’t come back to this present life. You shouldn’t commit spiritual suicide. Maybe, there is no chance for you to come back.

DIRTY_C: I don’t feel like listening to you anymore, hearing the same things over and over again. You haunt me even in my sleep! You seem to accuse me all the time. I feel worse now than before I had met you for the first time. I don’t want to talk to you again. I feel worse and worse every time I talk to you. You put me in deep agony. I feel bad near you. You don’t give me a moment of rest!

CLEAN_C: Maybe it is the Lord who does not give you a break and you say it is me. You are so near life and there you are turning to death.  How sad.

DIRTY_C: I don’t know if I am turning to death at all. There is a chance you are wrong. I am not sure I am turning to death by not listening to you.

CLEAN_C: There is a difference between feeling accused and being accused for real. I am not accusing you at all. That is not my intention. However, you should know your conscience is the one which has been accusing you ever since you sinned for the first time. I am not the one accusing you at all. Your conscience is the one who is doing that.

DIRTY_C: You seem not to understand me at all!

CLEAN_C: I am sorry you think that way. I think you are looking for a way to escape back into your old life style.

DIRTY_C: It was very nice talking to you. I am saying goodbye to you now.

CLEAN_C: Ok.

DIRTY_C: Do not feel bad about it. Maybe it is not your fault, but I cannot carry on listening to you anymore. I am much happier in my church without than with you.

CLEAN_C: You were the one who came looking for me, remember? I am sorry you go away disappointed.

DIRTY_C: Maybe I shouldn’t exist. I don’t know. Why do you keep telling me I have no chances and I am lost?

CLEAN_C: Unless you clean up everything that stains you in full details, you won’t stand a chance. But, you have all chances by cleaning up.

DIRTY_C: You keep saying the same things. It seems what I just said did not affect you a bit!

CLEAN_C: I cannot tell you a lie. I really mean to save you.

DIRTY_C: Goodbye. I am going now. I hope we will never meet again.

That is how DIRTY_C turned His back on a great salvation. The hope is that Life has not turned its back on him.

What about you? Will you react the same way towards life and salvation? Will you also despise life simply because you think you are already a believer? Will you carry on in your pride, and in your fear to expose yourself fully to find real forgiveness? In my short experience as a disciple of the Lord, I have seen many preachers and church leaders refusing to live because the price they imagined it would cost them was too high, and to be exposed and known as sinful was unbearable. However, most of them carried on preaching and working as if they were in right standing with God. Few of them abandoned their pulpits after realizing they were not clean enough for the work. On the other hand, many still defend their doctrinal points of view as if most people are against them and as if holy ones are persecutors and not loving brothers. Sometimes, it feels they imagine enemies which do not exist and who fight their doctrines. It seems they invent a world where they are attacked to, in order to find reasons to remain as they are. Cleaning their lives and confessing their sins openly is something they will always refuse to do. It makes us feel they are the ones trying to convince themselves of something when they preach.

It would be so easy otherwise, wouldn’t it? I have heard about preachers who cried out after they became old, saying, “I have done nothing with my life! I have wasted my time and preaching carelessly! I have been wrong my whole life long and now it is too late to have it the way it should be”. It must be sad to come to such a point. I often recall these words in the Psalms: “Unless the Lord builds the house, they labour in vain who build it; unless the Lord keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows; for so He gives His beloved sleep”, Ps.127:2. Unless we do all through the Lord and carry it out the Lord’s way, we shall be squandering all we are and have.

Come on friend. Make right with God today. Promise yourself and the Lord you will do it right away, even if your congregation needs to hear about your sins from the pulpit. Who knows if even your immediate life depends on what you do the next moment.

And, now that you will clean up your whole life, take time to do a thorough cleansing. Do not leave any sin or spot untouched in your life. Do not take half measures and do a proper work. What will it avail you to clean only parts of your life? Now that you are cleaning, use you time to do a thorough cleansing! It will be worth the effort.

Every genuine revival has started off after its leaders and church members have dealt with their sins by name. As soon as preachers and church leaders start confessing their sins from the pulpits and to God in a personal way, revival starts. And every revival ended up in the rocks as soon as people stopped walking in the Light. Try not to be the next victim of deceit – not before and not after you have cleansed your life thoroughly. May God bless you. 

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